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as I told you. One of JS victims is apparently recanting??
I think JS is probably guilty. Actually. Shouldn’t take showers with young men/kids after hours and not get in trouble. The QB coach who saw it (mcquery) also somewhat recanted by saying later (in trial or deposition) that he isn’t sure what he saw or heard vs what he told JoPa. He saw it Fr night and called to meet with JoPa at coachs house that weekend and he told JoPa that he saw or heard sexual acts. 🤮
JoPa then had a meeting with AD on Monday to tell him what McQuery told him. JS was retired and no longer on staff and the AD said he would handle it. He then spoke with his boss and police. Not sure if PSU police or Pennsylvania.
joPa then won’t back to work. For some reason he didn’t put on a brown coat and become Columbo.
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Do you even realize what you are typing shit for brains ? Read your post again.
There was plenty of evidence that Paterno knew what was going on. It doesn’t need to be rehashed. Stop believing every tweet you read. Think man think !
There was a trial and Sandusky was convicted. Not PROBABLY GUILTY. BUT JUST GUILTY.The State Police Report: A Pennsylvania State Police report unsealed years later details McQueary’s account. According to the report, when McQueary told Paterno about the incident, Paterno explicitly mentioned that this “was the second complaint of this nature he had received” regarding Sandusky.
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Jees Pasadena, the second line of your post:
“I think JS is probably guilty. Actually. Shouldn’t take showers with young men/kids after hours and not get in trouble.” Those were YOUR words, apart from defending JoePa.
9/10 have not recanted. I’d say 90% is pretty strong, and based on the redheads’ original testimony and feeling sick to his stomach, he may not have fully grasped the details but sounds pretty obvious what did happen was gross. As for JoePa, the FBI did an independent investigation and found ” football coach Joe Paterno, along with Spanier, Curley and Schultz, had known about allegations of child abuse by Sandusky as early as 1998, had shown “total and consistent disregard…for the safety and welfare of Sandusky’s child victims”, and “empowered” Sandusky to continue his acts of abuse by failing to disclose them.” I’ll lean towards the FBI’s findings over PSU fans personally.
My thing with JoePa is mainly this – he says he was told of the accusation of JS showering with a kid in 1998, yet Sandusky still had access to the PSU facilities at least in 99, including the showers. Even after he retired. JoePa was still the head coach, knows some of these accusations BY HIS OWN ADMITTANCE/ TESTIMONY – yet he doesn’t kick Sandusky out of the facilities? That’s the big rub for me. You hear this shyte and yet he still has access to the showers? F that. That’s enough to me to say he didn’t do enough. If someone said they saw my cousin behaving inappropriately with kids I wouldn’t let him anywhere near my house, period. No ands ifs or butts. Not sure what is so hard about that. Okay, you reported it and did your part. Fine. But letting JS hang around and bring kids to the facilities? Hell to the No.
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Red heads was in 2001. But there was a showering allegation that JoePa admits he was told of in 1998 and another in 1999. Both he says he knew of.
I’m not even addressing an unproven allegation in 1976, but there were two that JoePa was aware of.
There is no way that you can convince me that a HC as strong as JoePa couldn’t tell the powers that be that he didn’t want him in the facilities? He’s not expected to be there 24 hours, of course. But no way JoePa could not kick him out.
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You have proof of this of other shower incidents?
I know of McQuery one.
And the other from years before from the guardian of a child that was later investigated and dismissed.
you have two more???? Please share.
ive read a lot on this
As for kicking him out of the facilities that is a fair call/point.
even for someone retired. But the appointment came from BofT. That’s a powerful group and we’re JoPas superiors. You get that??? JoPa still had to follow organizational structure when “off the field”.but you know what didn’t happen. JoPa didn’t COVER ANYTHING UP!!!!! That’s the point.
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This is actually a well informed argument.
but it’s not complete. The 1998 incident was a complaint from a guardian or a mom of a kid.the boys group or orphanage (First mile) was told about it. They called the police. Interviews were had and the FM Board and the police DECLINED to press charges and deemed it a misunderstanding. Should JoPa not honor that process and decision? Blame the investigators. I 100% agree with that. And yes false accusations happen. Sadly. If I was ever falsely accused I would hope my friends and colleagues would stand by me.
as would you.btw I don’t know all the ins and outs of every accuser. Your point is valid. But again more then one has recanted. More then one got the dates wrong and we’re still allowed to testify. I am not here to defend PA legal process and for sure NOT JS. Im defending an innocent man, JoPa.
again JS has NOTHING to do with JoPa, his legacy or his statue.
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Idk the why as to why they hired expensive lying crisis manager Freeh and threw JoPa under bus.
I heard it was jealously and the fact the guy wouldn’t retire. But yeah too many decisions to not protect kids were made to not be skeptical. And the fact they were so easy to throw away JoPa’s 50 year legacy was telling. Seems like they had something to hide for sure.
only one in the process with integrity was JoPa.
him admitting he should have done more was a good man speaking about sad days. Only the most humble would ever admit to it even if not personally culpable. And yes he prob regretted believing the police and the earlier investigators about JS as well.
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Copy. Thank you.
im gonna say this. And now it’s ringing a bell.
So JS the creep would shower with boys after working out and wrestling. Were they in different stalls? I think that was what he told investigators.def not condoning it and readily admit it’s a convenient excuse but what if it’s true? Or in this case how do you prove it isn’t?
you need the child to vouch for what happened. And that has proven hard without payouts and dates apparently.
Justice and legal process is not easy. Unfortunately
I don’t understand your point that JoPa
with no legal authority is more guilty then People in charge of 2nd Mile, Police, PSU President and PSU AD.
as the NCAA later said, what JoPa did was adopted as recommended protocol? I mean the irony is thick
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Joe Paterno’s exact actions in reporting Jerry Sandusky’s conduct to university officials, rather than conducting his own investigation, were adopted by the NCAA as their guidelines that athletic departments should not handle sexual assault investigations.
Now why would the NCAA do that if what Paterno did was wrong? No one will answer me on that one.
In 2014, the NCAA released a handbook titled “Addressing Sexual Assault and Interpersonal Violence,” which stated that athletic departments must not manage, direct, or interfere with investigations into sexual violence, but should instead report suspicions to appropriate campus offices.
Paterno reporting the incident to superiors like Tim Curley and Gary Schultz—was in line with current NCAA recommendations and thus invalidated the basis of the consent decree that criticized Paterno’s response. Multiple Pennsylvania Attorneys General later affirmed that Paterno followed the law and did not cover up any crimes, further supporting the claim that his actions conformed to proper protocol as later defined by the NCAA.
The courts ruled there was no cover-up at Penn State. That’s a fact.
And I hate to blow up all your pre-conceived incorrect notions.
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Wow!!!
GAME. SET. MATCH.
Geraldo and 909 wanted JoPa to turn into a cross between Columbo and Charles Bronson. 🤦♂️
BTW I told the board this years ago. As far as IMMEDIATELY reporting it to his superiors and letting them address the incident(s).
as well as JS no longer being on JoPas staff (for 2-3 years) when shower incident happen.
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