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January 21, 2026 at 4:43 pm #8844
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ParticipantStarting to look very anti white…all the borderline white boys can’t get in….if you think I’m crazy did you watch KBJs nomination to the Supreme Court.
.254 average and 1,900 hits gets you in? I mean he does has alot of gold gloves but this is a joke. No World Series rings. Just missed it. A lot. No MVPs either. Getting in over Garvey and Dale Murphy? Don Mattingly had a Great peak but it wasn’t long enough. jones getting in is actually a joke. Like KBJ.
Carlos Beltran actually has the numbers. Too bad he was part of TrashCanGate with Houston 🤦♂️
Murphys numbers aren’t incredible but he was dominant player of his era. So clearly a tough era. Different baseball and before steroids.
Garvey is a no brainer. So is Curt Schilling. That’s the tell
it’s political.

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January 21, 2026 at 4:43 pm #8845
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January 21, 2026 at 4:44 pm #8846
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January 21, 2026 at 4:44 pm #8847
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January 22, 2026 at 10:46 pm #8967
troystoryParticipantDisappointing to see Garvey’s WAR not higher. I wonder about how that is calculated. He had 200 hits in five straight years. Also played in 1200 straight games. Plus the MVP. I think those items should count in the HoF calculus. His prime, @ ’74-’84, was not the best offensive era either. Dodger Stadium used to be one of the toughest places to hit HR’s. Clearly he’s never getting there, context argument has long passed.
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January 24, 2026 at 4:33 am #9013
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ParticipantIt’s calculated against his peers. 1B is always the toughest grouping. If Garvey played RF for instance, with those numbers, I bet his WAR is much higher.
war is not a horrible metric. It’s also not perfect. It’s biggest flaw is trying to compare the War across positions. For example, A 2nd basemen (say it’s 55) vs a 1B and it says 35. I will guarantee you the 1B numbers are much better than the 2b but the war will not reflect that.
defensive war is also way to high. Guys can get 2/3/4 points from the OF sometimes. That seems overstated to me.
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January 23, 2026 at 11:25 pm #9005
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ParticipantNow you’ve really picked off a scab.
Steve Garvey does not belong in the Hall of Fame. 200 hits, in isolation, is not a big deal. How did he get 200 hits a year? He played every day, had 700 plate appearances every year, and didn’t waste many of those with walks. (If you have 700 at-bats and 200 hits, you hit .286) So his 200 hits combined with a handful of walks and mediocre power to produce a career OPS of .775. Here’s a player stat line from 2025 that produced an OPS of .775. Think he had a Hall of Fame season?
https://www.espn.com/mlb/player/gamelog/_/id/41773/brendan-donovan
Garvey had 38.1 WAR in his career. Hall of Famers should have twice as many. His only value to his team was on offense. He played a low-value defensive position and was hardly a generational talent there.
One of the reasons many people think of Garvey as a Hall of Famer is that when he played no one paid attention to on-base percentage, secondary offensive production (a measure of offensive production beyond hitting singles), or OPS (which may not have been invented yet). With the benefit of those metrics we get a clearer picture of Garvey’s offensive value.
I looked up Bill James’s similarity scores for Garvey. At the top of the list — that is, the guy in the history of MLB whose career numbers most closely match Garvey’s — is Garrett Anderson. We can agree Garrett Anderson, though a solid bat, did not have a Hall of Fame career. Here are their slash lines side-by-side. Batting Avg., OBP, SLG, OPS
Garvey .294/.329/.445/.775
Anderson .293/.324/.461/.785
Even before I got turned on to OPS I had a favorite comp for Garvey. It was Del Ennis, outfielder for the Phillies in the late 40s and 50s. I doubt Ennis ever got a single vote on a Hall of Fame ballot. Yet here is his slash line next to Garvey’s
Ennis .284/.340/.472/.812
Garvey .294/.329/.446/.775
Having said all that, I’m not sold on Andruw Jones, either. Defensively, he was a generational talent. He had over 60 WAR, which is probably enough to get you in. My problem with him is that his last five years were garbage. So for me the question is whether his first 12 years, all with Atlanta, were enough to get him in. I say no. And just on an aesthetic level, I don’t want anyone in the Hall who ever played a full MLB season and hit .158, as Jones did with the Dodgers. That should be an automatic DQ.
Generally speaking, the Hall is way too big or, in the parlance of the day, inclusive. It is moving the way of participation trophies and, with it, irrelevance.
Dale Murphy? I thought he was in.
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January 24, 2026 at 4:37 am #9014
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ParticipantI don’t know man. 200 hits is quite a lot IMO.
different eras maybe? OBP wasn’t so valued so dudes played differently. I also would rather a guy get a hit than a walk yet they are valued the same in OBP.
2599 hits. World Series champ. MVP. Gold glove. He needs to be in. Andruw Jones just got in with 1900 hits 🤦♂️
Garret Anderson fwiw is one of the best pure hitters (both power and contact) I’ve ever seen. If He played for the dodgers or Yankees he would have been More highly regarded. Like Freddie Freeman good.
2529 hits in 2200 games. Damn. That’s impressive. 522 doubles and 287 HRs. Averaged about 30 walks a year lol.
just did some research. Only Zach Buck Wheat had more hits (2800) than Garrett Anderson in LA area. Meaning Dodgers or angels. GA leads angels
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