Against my better judgment, I will respond one additional time to Stalindork's bias. If there is even one person here who is foolish enough to think you are getting the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth from that lefty....read up yourself on American communism. Good start would be Radical Son, by David Horowitz. you might finish with Mark Levin's lastest on Marxism. Plenty more out there to understand what they were after and what they succeeded in controlling. No need to take a guy who is still worshipping his Che Guevara wall poster as the final word.
And I love how they have to play the race card or the antisemitism card...every damned time. Hollywood was a place where most of the studios were run by Jews, like Louie B. Mayer, Selznick, Warner Bros, Harry Cohn, Sam Goldwyn, etal., and they did quite well.
So was the ACLU, but most of them were communists.
@thesquat My posts were about the blacklist, not communism per se. Obviously communism played a major part, but there were many others factors that played a role, and those were the basis of my argument. You simply posting about the origins of American communism is nothing more than a strawman argument, of which you are a master.
And I'm not playing the race card. Anti-Semitism absolutely played a part in the blacklisting, regardless of most of the studio heads being Jewish. There are many objective articles about this online, same as all the economic factors regarding blacklisting, you're just unwilling or too lazy to look them up.
It's ironic, too, because people like you and Pasadena behave exactly like the woke motherfuckers you despise, just on the other side of the fence. The woke often cry misogyny, racism and other things based on hate and conjecture, very often with little evidence, proof, or reason. You're doing the same thing. It's all fear-based. In short, you're acting like a total chickenshit.
Some of the assholes on this site will probably read your remarks about Che -- a truly detestable human being -- and actually believe I worship the guy...not because you wield any authority on this site, but simply because it "confirms" their preconceived biases and pathetically narrow view of the world.
It's truly pathetic, not to mention disconcerting.
Exactly no one did Wayne better than Wayne with one exception, Ghengis Kahn with Susan Hayward playing a Mongolian princess but even John Wayne gets one passLOL
Waldorf your answers regarding movies is always well thought out. WasJohn Wayne a great actor is a good question. I would counter by saying his screen presence was so great it transcended whatever shortcomings he had as an actor. He just Dominated when he was on screen
Thanks. It's all a matter of opinion anyway. If you say John Wayne was a great actor, then he was a great actor because he brought to the screen that level of enjoyment for you.
I will say this -- he was fucking great at playing John Wayne, and I mean that as a compliment. There's a reason he was such an icon, because nobody did what he did better than him. He may not have had much range, but you always knew what you were getting. Sometimes you got more, which was a bonus.
@Pasadena Trojan Terrible political takes only because you automatically disagree with them. You're completely unable to divorce your pre-conceived notions, even for a moment, to consider events and periods in a historical context, about subjects you know very little or nothing about. That's nothing to be proud of, son. You can do better.
There were many other conservative bigtime actors in Wayne's day, and before, who won Oscars, going way back. James Cagney, Clark Gable, Gary Cooper, Loretta Young, Jimmy Stewart, Bing Crosby, Ginger Rogers, Ernest Borgnine, William Holden, and Charlton Heston, just to name a few, and those are only the ones off the top of my head. And that doesn't include the Republican/conservative huge stars who didn't win an Oscar but were nominated multiple times and starred in a million movies -- people like Cary Grant, Barbara Stanwyck, Mickey Rooney, and Glenn Ford come to mind, again off the top of my head. And Wayne was nominated twice and he did win an Oscar, during a year in which Midnight Cowboy, rated X, won Best Picture. If Hollywood hated the fucker they never would have given him an Oscar, even an honorary won.
Wayne wasn't really considered a great actor, and that's probably because he wasn't a great actor. He was a good actor, and he was great in several roles. I would argue that his performance in The Searchers deserved an Oscar, but c'est la vie. He wasn't even nominated, which is stooooooopid. But it's not like Hollywood gave him the cold shoulder, and they had every right to given that he helped ruin a lot of careers during the HUAC days. And before you go all ballistic about that, history has not been kind to HUAC for a number of good reasons. Nobody likes a rat -- then, now, or forever. Dalton Trumbo...wow, what a commie. Total threat to national security. Roman Holiday, what a subversive flick.
While it's true that Hollywood is more woke and fucked up now than they've ever been -- perhaps irreparably so -- keep in mind that one of the biggest Hollywood heroes has won a shitload of Oscars, and he couldn't be more conservative. Clint Eastwood.
@thesquat Getting all defensive and butthurt about this won't erase the fact that you're defending your position by simply calling me a commie and a leftist who hates his country, and thinking that settles it. That's infantile. That's no argument. And you call yourself a lawyer?
I read every word of what you posted, and I read every word of that article, and then I read the article it linked. It made some very good points, but it failed miserably to point out the myriad of other factors that played into the whole affair.
Nothing was mentioned of the economic aims of the movie industry during the blacklist, i.e. how blacklisting enabled them to easily cut staff and profit in an industry in which the rights of employees WRT compensation were increasingly challenging studio autonomy, not to mention the lost revenue due to television, which played a huge factor in studios being complicit in HUAC. Nothing was even hinted at the anti-Semitism that fueled HUAC and started at the top with Mississippi Rep. John Rankin. Not a single mention of the criminal underhandedness of The Motion Picture Alliance, Walt Disney, Jack Warner, and William Randolph Hearst in the blacklisting, which would take days to break down. Their efforts were ALL for economic gain and political clout. The number of issues goes on and on and on, far too long a list to mention here. Read up on it, the material is very easy to find.
Or, you can just rely on a single article in the National Review and call it a day, then say I'm a close-minded commie who hates his country (even though nothing could be further from the truth). Brilliant.
Against my better judgment, I will respond one additional time to Stalindork's bias. If there is even one person here who is foolish enough to think you are getting the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth from that lefty....read up yourself on American communism. Good start would be Radical Son, by David Horowitz. you might finish with Mark Levin's lastest on Marxism. Plenty more out there to understand what they were after and what they succeeded in controlling. No need to take a guy who is still worshipping his Che Guevara wall poster as the final word.
And I love how they have to play the race card or the antisemitism card...every damned time. Hollywood was a place where most of the studios were run by Jews, like Louie B. Mayer, Selznick, Warner Bros, Harry Cohn, Sam Goldwyn, etal., and they did quite well.
So was the ACLU, but most of them were communists.
What did Flava Flav say about John Wayne?
Forget what actor said John Wayne really thinks he’s John Wayne
lol. True about his on screen presence.
He had “it”. In spades.
Exactly no one did Wayne better than Wayne with one exception, Ghengis Kahn with Susan Hayward playing a Mongolian princess but even John Wayne gets one passLOL
Waldorf your answers regarding movies is always well thought out. WasJohn Wayne a great actor is a good question. I would counter by saying his screen presence was so great it transcended whatever shortcomings he had as an actor. He just Dominated when he was on screen
There were many other conservative bigtime actors in Wayne's day, and before, who won Oscars, going way back. James Cagney, Clark Gable, Gary Cooper, Loretta Young, Jimmy Stewart, Bing Crosby, Ginger Rogers, Ernest Borgnine, William Holden, and Charlton Heston, just to name a few, and those are only the ones off the top of my head. And that doesn't include the Republican/conservative huge stars who didn't win an Oscar but were nominated multiple times and starred in a million movies -- people like Cary Grant, Barbara Stanwyck, Mickey Rooney, and Glenn Ford come to mind, again off the top of my head. And Wayne was nominated twice and he did win an Oscar, during a year in which Midnight Cowboy, rated X, won Best Picture. If Hollywood hated the fucker they never would have given him an Oscar, even an honorary won.
Wayne wasn't really considered a great actor, and that's probably because he wasn't a great actor. He was a good actor, and he was great in several roles. I would argue that his performance in The Searchers deserved an Oscar, but c'est la vie. He wasn't even nominated, which is stooooooopid. But it's not like Hollywood gave him the cold shoulder, and they had every right to given that he helped ruin a lot of careers during the HUAC days. And before you go all ballistic about that, history has not been kind to HUAC for a number of good reasons. Nobody likes a rat -- then, now, or forever. Dalton Trumbo...wow, what a commie. Total threat to national security. Roman Holiday, what a subversive flick.
While it's true that Hollywood is more woke and fucked up now than they've ever been -- perhaps irreparably so -- keep in mind that one of the biggest Hollywood heroes has won a shitload of Oscars, and he couldn't be more conservative. Clint Eastwood.
But North to Alaska is a dandy flick, ain't it?